Without doubt Bob Lazar is one of the most
controversial personalities ever to have been involved in Ufology. A number
of experienced and eminent Ufologists are of the opinion that he is an
absolute (but highly intelligent) fraudster, whilst others do regard his
Love him or hate him, Bob Lazar has
certainly made a major impact in the world of Ufology, especially with his
claims to have worked as a physicist at
51, involving the reverse
engineering of UFOs.
Here follows a description of Bob Lazar’s
experiences, based predominantly on his own words.
On the 28th June 1982 the Los Alamos Monitor announced " L.A. man
joins jet set". This headline referred to a young physicist of the Los
Alamos Meson Laboratory who had built a 200 m.p.h. jet car
[ right ] in his spare time.
man was Bob Lazar . Only the elite of scientists gained employment at
the Meson Laboratories - originally where the " A bomb" was developed
and where top secret projects are carried out.
Whilst at the laboratories
Lazar attended a lecture given by Professor Edward Teller - so called
father of the "H bomb". At a chance meeting Teller showed a lot of
interest in Lazars jet car and the two men got on well together.
Teller told Lazar to get in touch if he ever needed help -
particularly regarding a job.6 years later , after many trials and
tribulations (including the untimely death of his wife) Lazar moved to
Las Vegas and wanted to work in a scientific situation. After
contacting Teller, Lazar quickly received a phone
call asking him to attend an interview in the E.C.&G. building - E.C.&G.
being a massive
company involved in
research projects for N.A.S.A.
This lead to Lazar being
offered a job working on a "field propulsion
system" at the Nevada Test Range - which includes
Disk-shaped" craft over Area 51
Bob Lazar talks about the briefing documents he was
given to read.
Lazars interpretation of a UFO
he saw at Area 51
Bob Lazar near Area 51
Bob Lazar describes the "Sports Model" UFO he came
across at Area 51.
On his first day at
Area 51 Lazar was amazed at the incredibly levels of security - 22
scientists were covered by 70 armed guards and the " camouflaged
inter-connecting hangars". His identity badge bore the contract number
E-67223MAJ and the inscription "DEPARTMENT OF NAVAL
INTELLIGENCE". Lazars boss - Dennis Moriani - had
MAJESTIC on his badge.
During his first day Lazar was given 120 blue files to read which
dealt with UFOs and extraterrestrials. Although they were
superficial the contents shocked him - "I could not believe it -
I was fascinated"
The reports made it clear
that the U.S. Government were in possession of a number of
extraterrestrial craft and that autopsies had been carried out on some
of the occupants. Lazar was then
introduced to his job - the propulsion techniques of the craft and the
possibility of inter-stellar travel.
On his second
visit to Area S4 - an area within
- Lazar was taken into a hangar and shown a disc shaped craft -
"it was absolutely smooth, about 40 feet wide and appeared to have been
made in one piece". Lazars job was to investigate the construction and
operation of its propulsion system - in order to "back engineer
Aerial Survey Map of Area 51[click for larger size]
Lazar describes his first visit to
Jim Tagliani , a former
engineer of the Stealth Project , remembered working with Lazar and
was in no doubt he had attended Cal-Tech. Also, Knapp found 3
employees of Meson Laboratories who all recalled Lazar - no person
works there without the highest of qualifications.
Despite all of this Lazar was officially discredited after installing
system in a building which proved to house an illegal brothel. Whilst
in court the prosecution admitted that Lazar was hardly a
typical criminal and had a spotless record. He was put on probation
for 3 years and also worked for 150 hours lecturing in physics to
Lazar was to remark - " I
should have seen it coming".
His opponents had succeeded in making it possible to sneer at the
mention of Bob Lazars name. They cannot , however, stem the flood of
interest that is now shown by people all over the World - the desire
and the determination to discover what is happening at
A Russian satellite photo of a
circular object at Area 51.
A disk-shaped object captured on film over
UFO over Area 51 - caught on film in 1995
Another "disk-shaped" object
captured on film over Area 51
The internal telephone directory
of the Los Alamos Laboratories.( an institution of high repute) - Bob
Lazar's name is listed.
click on picture for larger size
Tax Statement for 1989.
Note the contract No. - E-6722MAJ (Majestic)
click on picture for larger size
Video of UFO reputedly filmed by
military camera and smuggled out of Area 51. The object was seen to
cover 13 miles in 6 seconds.
"The WHY? FILES recommend you
visit the site of the eminent UFOlogist Bill Hamilton for further
fascinating research regarding the scientists involved at S-4 (Area 51)"
" I would not spend one additional moment
on the subject of UFOs if I didn't seriously feel that efforts to
investigate and understand it, and eventually solve it, could have a
profound effect - perhaps even be the springboard to a revolution in
man's view of himself and his place in the Universe." Dr. J. Allen Hynek
Scientific Consultant U.S. Air Force, 1948 - 1969
Glenn Campbell -
devoted many years to the investigation of UFOs, especially relating to Area 51.
Glenn Campbell discusses Bob Lazar and UFOs.
For many years Glen Campbell devoted
his life to the study of UFOs and was acknowledged as the “expert” on all things
relating to Area 51.
By Glenn Campbell
I am happily retired from the Area 51 field and am currently enjoying a
blissfully UFO-free lifestyle, but one issue won't leave me alone: People keep
asking me about Bob Lazar. True or False: Did he work with flying saucers at
I adore ambiguity, and I really hate being pinned down like this. I mean,
what is truth anyway? My idle-handed colleagues and I have been researching
Lazar's claims since 1992, but I wasn't there when Lazar first made those
claims, and no one can visit the secure military areas where Lazar's experiences
supposedly took place. Who am I to declare what is and is not reality?
Still the inquiries keep coming, especially after Lazar's recent reappearance
on Art Bell (June 6, 2002), where he announced yet another movie deal. The only
way to efficiently deal with my questioners is to come up with a crude one-word
Unfortunately, that answer is False.
I don't mean this as an insult to Mr. Lazar. He's an incredibly creative and
intelligent guy. I also don't mean to denigrate Lazar's many supporters. One
thing I learned while studying Area 51 is that you don't mess with people's
religion. Lazar, I believe, has a right to make his claims, and people have a
right to believe him. Lazar's flying saucers have become part of Nevada's
identity, and probably even my own. I mean "False" only in a rather mundane
Lazar did not work with flying saucers in an underground hangar near Papoose
Lake. He made the story up. Furthermore, he made it up by himself, without the
help of any nefarious agency and probably without any deep motivation other than
the pleasure of attracting attention and putting people on.
The story evolved out of a long heritage of pre-existing underground alien
base claims, which eventually infected the pilot and conspiracy theorist John
Lear. Lear announced, in electronic bulletin board posts in the 1980s, that gray
aliens were eating humans in deep underground facilities at Area 51. Lazar met
Lear, heard his ramblings, and decided to give Lear what he wanted. Lazar took
Lear's paranoid delusions and repackaged them in a much more intelligent and
internally consistent rendition. Initially, Lear was the only audience, but he
tipped off a Las Vegas TV station, and the frenzy began. The story soon spun out
of Lazar's control, and, at least until the recent Art Bell appearance, Lazar
seemed to sincerely want it to go away.
Lazar's limited knowledge of Area 51 came from secondhand sources, which are
plentiful in Las Vegas. Lazar has never been to Area 51. His "S-4" is a
relocated and reconfigured version of "Site 4", a real Top Secret radar testing
facility west of Area 51. Lazar's saucers and their propulsion system seem
plausible to anyone without a physics degree. They were constructed, in Lazar's
head, with the same fastidious care that he has lavished on his real-life
fireworks, jet cars and other mechanical projects. "Element 115" and its
peculiar periodic neighbors were discussed in an article in Scientific American
just before Lazar used it to fuel his craft. Lazar has always displayed an
exceptional respect for detail and consistency, and he has an extraordinary
ability to focus his attention on whatever his current project is, to the
exclusion of everything else. His only deficiencies are moral (that is, if you
consider lies and the exploitation of others to be somehow 'wrong').
A good model for how Lazar operates is found in the forger Mark Hoffman, now
in prison for murder.
While forging Mormon documents, Hoffman built a detailed web of lies that
still leaves researchers in awe. Hoffman's forgeries were internally consistent
and perfect in every detail, and they meshed seamlessly with the world of
existing documents, many of which he also created. His trance-like ability to
focus his attention was so highly developed that he easily fooled polygraph
Lazar is in the same league, having convinced a hypnotherapist of his
truthfulness and earned at least an "inconclusive" polygraph report. Lazar might
be even more clever than Hoffman, because he hasn't significantly broken the
law, and he strictly limits his claims to his original story.
You can ask me for proof for my Lazar position, but I'm not going to play the
game anymore. The Lazar documentation on the internet is already massive, and
the heated debates about one detail or another of Lazar's claims have been going
on for over a decade. It is senseless to harp on his false educational
credentials, enhanced employment claims or pandering conviction.
Those who believe in Lazar are going to continue believing, and those who
don't will only say, "I told you so." The funny thing about oral traditions like
this is that they continue to live and propagate regardless of the evidence and
far beyond their original source. They spawn new stories, like the similar UFO
claims of Bill Uhouse, aka "Jarod 2" (which is another fascinating personal
journey). Lazar's story has grown much bigger than Lazar himself, and no one
will ever be able to follow all of its threads.
Answering "False" still rubs me the wrong way. I distain finality, and I
certainly don't want to attract the attention Lazar's rabid supporters. Instead,
I would rather state things in relative terms: Lazar's claims _could_ be true,
like the boy crying wolf who eventually encounters a real one, but given the
known lies and lack of new information, the joy of exploring the story has
dwindled. Life is full of more interesting mysteries.
The following article was published by “Raiders News Service” on 12th May,
Have Scientists Just Proven Bob Lazar Right On
Alien Antigravity systems?
By Thomas Horn
Senior RNU News Reporter
In 1989, Robert Scott Lazar claimed to have worked as a
physicist at a hidden base referred to as S4 on a highly classified project
involving back engineering of alien technology, antigravity and antimatter
propulsion. Stanton Friedman doesn't believe him. But have scientists just
proven Lazar was right all along? RNU.com - (Raiders News Update) -
Yesterday, in the article, "How to float like a stone", science
correspondent for The Guardian, David Adam wrote that what goes up no longer
has to come down. Quoting researchers who announced their results this week
in the New Journal of Physics, Adams noted that, "British scientists have
developed an antigravity machine that can float heavy stones, coins and
lumps of metal in mid-air. Based around a powerful magnet, the device
levitates objects in a similar way to how a maglev train runs above its
Graphic depiction of
the UFO that Bob Lazar claims to have worked on whilst at Area 51.
The article went on to quote Peter King, physics professor at Nottingham
University, as saying, "We can take an object and float it in mid-air because
the magnetic forces on the object are enough to balance gravity."
The device evidently exploits diamagnetism by placing non-magnetic objects
inside a strong magnetic field where they are forced to act like weak magnets
themselves. A field is created that is stronger below and weaker above. The
resulting upward magnetic force cancels out gravity.
To make the anti gravity machine even more powerful, the team used an oxygen and
nitrogen mixture to create a paramagnetic fluid. Inside the magnet, the mixture
helps the objects float. US space agency Nasa notified the team that it is
interested in their zero gravity research. UFO buffs may recall a man named Bob
Lazar [left] discussing a similar antigravity propulsion system over a decade
ago, one that he said came from aliens. Lazar claimed to have worked as a
physicist on a highly classified government project, called Galileo, which
involved back engineering of alien technology. The research supposedly took
place at a hidden base known only as S4, a few miles south of Area 51. At the
time, Lazar said he and others were working on extraterrestrial craft hundreds
of years in advance of modern technology. He also claimed to have seen a total
of nine different types of saucers as well as documents and autopsies of alien
corpses. The saucer-type he professed to have worked on had a diameter of 9-12 m
with a console and small, children-sized seats. He said he was told the aliens
arrived in the vessel from the fourth planet of the binary stellar system Zeta
Reticuli 2. In "On the Record" with investigative reporter George Knapp,
September 12, 1989, Lazar said the alien craft flew by amplifying gravity waves
through use of a reactor and an alien element--atomic number 115--an ore not
found or synthesized on earth.
When asked to explain how the alien antigravity system worked, the program took
an interesting twist:
Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That's
a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the
workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the
bottom of it . . . 115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little
wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity
wave, and that's later amplified in the lower portion of the craft. But just in
general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really,
really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back- engineer
everthing, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and find out
how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials. There hasn't
been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter . . . It doesn't convert anti-matter! There's an
annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction, a hundred percent
conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is
somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently, the 115 under
bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This anti-matter
particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some
target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases heat, and somewhere
within that system there is a one-hundred-percent- efficient thermionic
generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you
were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount
of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets
formed at the sphere, and that's through some action of the 115, and the exact
action I don't think anyone really knows. The wave guide siphons off that
gravity wave, and that's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part
where there are three gravity amplifiers, which amplify and direct that gravity
Knapp: In essence creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on earth doesn't have this
technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn't create it?
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even-we don't even know what gravity is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's
been theorized that gravity is also particles, gravitons, which is also
incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave they can actually tap off of an
element: why that is I' m not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that
allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space.
By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel, where instead of
traveling in a linear method going from Point A to B, now you can distort time
and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to Mohammad, you almost
bring your destination to you without moving. And since you're distorting time,
all this takes place in between moments of time. 
Now, have British scientists proven Lazar was telling the truth? Have they let
the alien anti-gravity-cat out of the bag? I asked nuclear physicist and
renowned UFO investigator Stanton T. Friedman. Here is what he said:
The simple answer is no. One could also say a rocket was an antigravity device
because its exhaust leads to it moving upward whereas gravity pulls it down. A
pulley arrangement for lifting something is not an antigravity device. The use
of magnetic forces as in the magnetic train (maglev) that is noted in the
article is not new. It does not create a gravitational field. It does not
nullify gravity. A force is exerted which is upward. Gravity is still there.
There is no connection whatsoever between this sort of device and the Lazar
science fiction device which is as mythical as his supposed degrees from MIT and
Cal Tech and his employment as a physicist at Los Alamos. Check out my article
on Lazar at my website www.stantonfriedman.com. Incidently, magnetoaerodynamic
devices such as I described in my Congressional testimony in 1968 and in various
papers can also exert upward forces... but are not anti-gravity. It is also true
that 4 atoms of Element 115 were created at a huge accelerator in Dubna. Half
life was in the millisecond range. Lazar claimed at one time that Los Alamos had
500 pounds. No way Jose. Half life is too short. Stan Friedman
I also decided to ask scientist Stan Deyo about the subject. Stan has held Above
Top Secret Security Clearance, worked undercover for the FBI, and was part of an
exclusive "black project" headed by Dr. Edward Teller specializing in the
development of "flying saucer technology". Here's what Stan said:
Hi, Tom, Stanton and I concur about Bob and his mythical tale about his
involvement in the Area 51 program. Furthermore, I agree with Stanton on the
erroneous assertion in the article above. Using two magnets to levitate masses
with low magnetic permeability is not "antigravity" in the strictest sense. It
is magnetic levitation - not something altering the gravitational field. I find
Bob's story about his history being erased by the government hard to believe.
According to him, even his high school record was erased.... Does that mean all
the kids who went to school with him had Bob's photo removed from their personal
copies of their high school annual books? Does that mean all Bob's fellow
students and his teachers in ALL those schools and universities he allegedly
attended found him so unremarkable that they cannot remember him in school with
them? I don't know why Bob apparently fabricated so much of his story.... It
just muddied the water for those trying to ferret the truth of the suppressed
technologies and alien presences on our world. It is true that electricity can
be produced by thermionic conversion within a small bandwidth of infrared
radiation by allowing it to fall upon a tribo-luminescent stratum which, itself,
forms part of a tuned, resonant-cavity circuit.... I am pretty certain that T.
Henry Moray (and possibly Harry E. Perrigo) made primitive forms of this
circuit. Element 115 is not necessary to supply the thermal energy in a
thermionic conversion process. I will be presenting a talk in Roswell this year
at the third "Ancient of Days" conference. There, I will present my thoughts on
the emerging concept of "gravity" being a vector sum between divergent and
convergent spinning waves around the center of spin of a mass. I will address
the issue of why gravity appears to be such a weak force when in reality gravity
is the resultant of much larger div/con wave vectors. Hope this helps clear the
water a bit.... Stan
Following Stan's comments, I think I see a sequel to this article in the not too
distant future. The headline might read something like: Have Scientists Just
Proven Stan Deyo Right on Alien Antigravity Systems