Mantle, author of the following article, is an internationally
acclaimed UFO researcher and commentator.
REAL KGB UFO FILES
interview with the former Deputy Commander of the KGB Nikolay
October 24th, 1991, documents were provided
to former Soviet cosmonaut Pavel Popovich, the then President
of the All-Union Ufological Association in Russia. These
files contained copies of UFO reports sent to the infamous
KGB. An accompanying letter was written by the Deputy
Chairman of the Committee for State Security USSR, N.A.
Sham. The files consisted of handwritten reports, typed
testimonies, notes from KGB informers, crude drawings
and eyewitness reports of UFOs. This cooperation between
UFO researchers and the KGB was unprecedented and was
a landmark in UFO research in the Soviet Union and possibly
the world. Sixteen years later we have managed
to catch up with the now former Deputy Commander of the
KGB, and published here for the first time is an interview
with the man himself.
Russian UFO photograph taken by Semyon
Teglyov in Kazakhstan on April 27, l995.
(Click on Image for full view)
Cosmonaut Pavel Popovich.
on Images for full view)
document that accompanied the release of the UFO files.
by Paul Stonehill and reproduced with the kind permission
June 2007 I was asked for an interview by NTV. NTV is one of
the largest TV companies in Russia. Apparently they were making
a new UFO documentary and wanted to discuss with me my research
into the Alien Autopsy film and the book I had co-authored
with Paul Stonehill (Mysterious Sky-Soviet UFO Phenomenon).
journalist Alexey Egorov along with his cameraman and translator
Elena Volkovaya duly arrived and the interview took place at
my home in West Yorkshire. After the interview we discussed
many things and Alexey informed me that he had interviewed
the former Deputy Chairman of the KGB Nikolay Sham, and discussed
with him their release of official KGB UFO files to Russian
UFO researchers. This is covered in our book Mysterious Sky.
Alexey went on to say that he could provide me with a transcript
of his interview with Nikolay Sham. This duly arrived via email
and was quickly translated by my colleague Paul Stonehill.
Nothing has been omitted from the following interview, although
Paul Stonehill has inserted a few things in brackets for clarification
full interview is reproduced here with kind permission of NTV
Alekseyevich Sham was born in 1940. He was in the KGB from
1966 to 1991. From 1974, he worked in the central administration
of the KGB. He was involved with the operational, technical
and scientific projects. In 1986 he was with the commission
that investigated the Chernobyl disaster.
His rank was deputy chief of the 6th Directorate of the KGB (this
is where revolutionary scientific ideas and hi-tech technologies
were researched and provided protection from foreign agents;
this is also where the Soviet economic espionage against other
nations was generated).
left the KGB in 1992, because of health reasons. In 1999 he
headed a private corporation, Greenmaster, involved in the
production of various devicesusing technologies of the defense
industry. Later he was the General Director of First Leasing
Company (2003). He is mentioned in Russian media in connection
with paranormal phenomena.
The former KGB Major-General, Nikolay Sham, who for a time served
as the KGB deputy chairman, had turned over to cosmonaut
Popovich a 127-pagerecordof anomalous events observed on
the territory of the former Soviet Union and in the Russian
Alekseyevich Sham. (NAS)
Alekseyevich, this document here from the KGB, sent to Cosmonaut
Pavel Popovich; did you send it?”
year was it?”
was in ‘91; the document’s registration indicates
so, that is why the year was ‘91.
you sent a complete file of documents from the KGB?”
right. I simply (unclear-P.S.) story, why the accumulation
of these documents took place specifically in the KGB. There
was a special decree of the Government and the Central Committee
of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union about the commencement
of the research of these phenomena that occur in nature. According
to this decree all law enforcement agencies (KGB, Ministry
of Defense, Ministry of Interior Affairs, and the border guards)
had to inform and report to the Center about facts they had
been receiving regarding all such phenomena in nature. And
all the agencies had factually accumulated the information.
But the KGB was not engaged in research of such issues; it
is just that some administration, some special department,
if they would get some eyewitnesses of all that was happening
in the atmosphere… they would take explanations and
mostly hand-written materials that were sent there, describing
how they saw (phenomena-P.S.), what they felt during (sightings-P.S.);
describing the background of the event, and so on. All that
we had eventually accumulated…accumulated, and by the
same decree a few academic institutes were obliged to undertake
(measures-P.S.) in order to research all these effects, various
phenomena, and come to some conclusion of every incident. The
main institute in the Academy of Sciences selected and appointed
(to head the research-P.S.) was the Institute of Space Studies.
All interesting facts were always addressed. Experts, scientists
left for the place of the incident, asked questions, took soil
samples, took various measurements, and so on; and reached
some conclusion based on the results of the event or a fact
(that was being researched-P.S.). This work was conducted for
several years, and some time in mid ’85-’86, in
that area, it was completed, this work…and produced
was a report about all the events that were registered through
a number of years over the territory of the Soviet Union.
remember that report; I held it in my hands. Of course, I do
not remember all of the details there, but from what I remember
now, up to 70 percent of all phenomena that were somehow registered
had been explained”.
were explained from the point of view of classical science?”
(remaining-P.S.) 30 percent?”
30 percent…of those 30 percent, half were explained;
not just one explanation, but variations of: it could be explained
this way, or that way. But not in the sense that again, (it
was-P.S.) some extraterrestrial civilization, its manifestation,
and so on. No. And some 10-15 percent could not be explained
at all…what it was, what effects, manifestations, what
kind of phenomena occurred in nature, atmosphere, and so on”.
you remember any examples of what could not be explained”?
it…things that could not be explained, when some object
materialized. Observed was a materialized object, mostly they
were spots, some luminescent points, something else of different
configurations and so on. As for materialized objects, that
truly, if they were photographed, they had a materialized background
in the shape of a saucer, some cylinder, or something similar.
All such things, of course, could not have been explained:
what it was, how one can comprehend all of it. That is what
I remember from everything that took place back then. Moreover,
all these sharp increases in public interest, they take place
periodically. Time after time, the same question…you
are fifth or sixth party that come with the same question.
Also, from the West I was approached, why? Because these materials;
this digest, travel all over the world”.
comes from this letter, because after this letter, the KGB
secret files were sent to ufologists”.
there was not any secret document”.
is, the documents were not secret before?”
course… quite right. Imagine, some citizen saw some
luminescent loop, and he wrote about it. The officer on duty
of some administration or a special department received this
information, registered in the logbook, wrote an accompanying
letter, and sent to the Center. What secrets are here? No secrets
at all. On the other hand, the explanation for all such phenomena
in most cases…you understand, tests were conducted,
launches were performed, airplanes fly about, helicopters fly
about, and the space is full of space (manmade-P.S.) objects
and fragments of the space objects that periodically descend
and enter the dense layers of the atmosphere. That is on one
hand. On another hand, so-called “mirage” phenomena,
mirages. You know, you have heard of mirages. Things related
to crashes, disasters; aircraft crash when (the craft-P.S.)
falls apart in flight and falls to the ground and so on. That
is, a multitude of things that due to some optic distortions
and so on, sometimes create such background, that really it
can appear that you are in some fairy tale world, and are surrounded
humanoids, that another civilization attacks the Earth, and
so on. In all of my life I have never met such a fact or event,
or something similar, as a result of which one could with some
certainty and credibility say, that this was appearance of
an extraterrestrial civilization. In all of my life, regretfully,
nothing like that happened. At the same time, if we, for example,
will find explanations for all of that…Here in Russia
now, for some years there is research, various experiments;
at their core lies, to say generally, registration of the Galactic
and Universal influence on the Earth. If one can imagine this
this file people write… “I saw a strange object,
a luminescent cloud”. This is not a hallucination; here
I want to address this point…how one can explain such
things. Here, based on the results of the work that is being
performed here in Russia. What is the heart of the problem?
If we imagine this Earth where we live-it is constantly subjected
to the effects of the external environment. In fact, we have…we
have gravitational fields. Further…we have the Sun,
and gigantic energy of the Sun comes to the Earth. Correct?
Then, we have heavy planets, we have galaxy, we have so-called “relic
radiation”; we have a tremendous amount of electromagnetic
fields with different frequencies, and so on. And human being,
it is also such a being that has everything moving inside,
shifts. You know, there is some aura around a human being;
a human being emits some radiation, and so forth and so forth.
As a principle, one cannot exclude that in conjunction with
certain factors and creation of certain fields, with manifestation
of certain electromagnetic fields with certain frequencies
there comes some influence on human beings. And results of
these studies demonstrate, really definitely and truly demonstrate,
that a human being, entering into the area of influence of
such natural phenomena…he starts changing, this human
being. That is, in principle, he comes to the point where he
ceases to comprehend. That is, entering into the field, into
this zone, that can continue for dozens of minutes… he
becomes inadequate, this human being”.
the same objects often be called hallucinations?”
so …in the mind of the human being affected by all that,
it can (be a hallucination-P.S.), on one hand. On the other
hand, because the Earth, too, is not of one origin, that is,
there are so-called break-up lines. What is the break-up line?
To speak figuratively, it is electrolyte. In the fissure, there
is electrolyte. And as this is electrolyte, and imagine, there
is some movement of this firmness, naturally it comes (movement-P.S.),
currents are registered, and the mechanism…of the equipment
in the cables registers currents up to 27 amperes!
you imagine the power that comes as a result of these waves,
radiation that comes from the very Earth?
streams. Neutron streams, they come from space, neutron streams
come from the Earth. And this gigantic energy component in
various shapes…and what is a human being in comparison
to all this power as such? The water, too…it is the
stuff that, as it is said, the original mother of all that
accumulated documents the ufologists nicknamed Blue File…Do
you know the fate of the Blue File (name given for the KGB
UFO documents PS), what happened with it, after ufologists
were given these documents?”
there was some interest two-three years ago in the same subject,
in this file. I offered them to just meet, I know some ufologists,
I offered to meet them in order to…and I organized this
meeting; I do not know what happened after that, but I did
previously speak with these comrades on the subject of all
these documents. And they said, generally, with regret, with
resentment, they told me that all of the materials that had
been accumulated in the institutes and so on, it did, to say
figuratively, left Russia.
say, for five hundred dollars…”
fact…with such (great-P.S.) resentment I was told of
all these things. Indeed, some unscrupulous people used the
situation, the lawlessness and uncertainty that exist in the
country, and tried to make business out of it. And in fact,
these materials left the country”.
can give this example. The letter was addressed to Pavel Popovich.
Three days ago we posed a question to Popovich, and he said:
let me go through this file, I want to understand, what is
there, because he (Popovich-P.S.) did not see.
this case, it was, so to say, the enthusiasts of this field
(ufology-P.S.), they are in the world, enthusiasts of this
field, because a human being in its essence is such, he needs
something that is always certain, that is why people have sorts
seriously can we take these here shots of the flying saucer?”
I know absolutely nothing about this. This is the first thing.
I can only comment that in the Soviet Union during the period
of, so to say, blooming of the rocket-space system industry
here, every year more than 100 satellites of various types
had been launched. We had that main spacecraft that is still
with us, the piloted Soyuz craft, and its descending capsule.
At the same time, our other organizations developed completely
different systems, including (those for-P.S.) evacuation of
the crew, and landings. These systems had been tested, and
really they were in their essence, unique, these systems. It
seems to me, one of the emergency breakdown situations connected
to the experimental work to develop these systems, is depicted
in this film. This is most likely. Usually, when there was
an emergency breakdown situation, naturally, the site would
be sealed off, and experts would arrive there. In principle,
all these developments were conducted in the interests of the
Ministry of Defense, interests of the Armed Forces. They were
not the only developments; they were done in the interests
of the Ministry of Defense.
that, precisely, is what could have taken place?”
right. That very “Buran” (This was a Soviet attempt
to create a space-shuttle like vehicle PS) that we created,
the orbital craft, it was preceded by a bunch of experiments,
connected with tests of various models and so on and so forth.
That is, we had a massive volume of undertakings in that direction;
various undertakings. Long-term orbital stations, like Mir,
this currently international…All of this was preceded
by military developments, they were completed these military
developments, they were in use and so on”
this here autopsy took place, would you be informed?” (Most
likely TNT TV show The Secret KGB Files broadcast in the USA
course, naturally...Such event, it just could have gone unnoticed,
could not have. Why? Because the KGB, counterintelligence,
it was concerned with all our military-industrial sites, that
is why…such event, if it truly took place, of course
the KGB would have been in the know. I have no doubts about
that whatsoever. That is why here, whatever is taking place
(in the film-P.S.), and I do not know what it is. Why? Because,
in reality, experiments did take place…
then, we had lots of programs for the study of the planets
of the Solar system. If you look at all the apparatuses, which
descend, be it on Mars, be it Venus, or our moonwalkers and
so on. And there, imagine, how many experiments were conducted
here on Earth to supply this or other Martian program, or a
program connected with launch of our apparatuses to Venus?
These apparatuses were of various shapes. Mostly, of course,
they were spherical. Why? Because, for example, it lands on
Venus with a parachute, naturally, the best is the spherical
shape. As for the strategic weapons that we had created…Strategic
weapons, before they are added to the armory, they (weapons-P.S.)
go through a whole series of design experiments. When it flies,
the missile, one part separates, the second part separates,
the third…There are emergency landings, with breakdowns,
and the missile has these discs, these parts…There can
be anything, in fact…and in all the cases, you can imagine,
you prepare for turning over for utilization some strategic
complex. And suddenly, in the final stage, an emergency breakdown
takes place. The chief, general designer, he has to understand
the reason for this breakdown, that is why all fragments had
were always collected. And always, special units were dispatched…”
Alekseyevich, in 1991, with this file, at that moment, what
was your position in the KGB?”
September ‘91 I was Deputy Chairman of KGB and remained
at that position until June of ‘92. And, then left because
of health reasons”.
your service, what did you oversee or control that is connected
with what we now call UFO; what units and projects were under
subject of UFO appeared in mid ‘70s. I already mentioned...From
mid-‘70s there was a sharp increase, related to these
unidentified flying objects. There was a resolution of the
government and Central Committee of the Communist Party of
the Soviet Union to conduct related projects to bring clarity
to these phenomena that took place in the country. This resolution
was made, and all law enforcement agencies-Ministry of defense,
KGB, Ministry of Interior Affairs-were obliged to receive information
from citizens regarding such events and send this information
to the center.
this system was created, worked out, and from all the corners
of the nation, wherever something happened, related to such
events and phenomena, all this came to us, to the Center. And
from the Academy side, several institutes were obliged to conduct
research of the phenomena that were registered on Earth.
Institute for Space Studies was designated to be the main one.
And for several years this work had been conducted; it was
completed some time in mid ‘80s; a report, a fundamental
report was produced, where, generally, all collected matters,
related to the events in this or that corner of the country,
all were put on shelves, systemized, materials were related
to every (appropriate-P.S.) event, location of the event, time
of the event, what eyewitnesses, what did they observe, what
did they feel at the time, what effects and what shape the
thing had-all this was systemized; they even made tabular shapes,
shapes and silhouettes (outlines-P.S.) of UFOs that had appeared
in the atmosphere.
most cases, experts went to the most interesting sites. Performed
appropriate measurements, conducted questioning of eyewitnesses,
and conducted various researches of sorts, and so on. And as
a result some conclusion was made for every event.
remember, around seventy percent of the events were provided
with real and objective explanations. What were they connected
with? Tests of aviation technology, missile technology, launches
of space objects, parts of spacecraft objects falling into
the atmosphere, aircraft technology disasters, some cataclysms
in nature connected with something being discarded and so on.
That is, everywhere they found an explanation.
in thirty percent of cases, it is as if half of an explanation
was given, but not a single one, meaning that yes, something
took place, but facts that certainly confirm what is, are not
sufficient. And in some instances, simply due to lack of information
and due to dearth of any material proof at the incident site,
no conclusions were made.
annual report was completed somewhere in mid ‘80s. The
KGB itself, naturally, did not research these issues; we did
not have such direction. There simply was collection, gathering;
and periodically the materials, as they say, were dumped into
the Institute of Space Studies or other departments, depending
again on the contents of an event, as they say. That is what
took the lead in the government to issue resolutions; was it
Brezhnev himself; did it fascinate him, was he interested in
it? Why all of a sudden in the mid ‘70s this resolution
came about, and who took the lead?”
do not know about taking lead. After all, at the time we had
a military-industrial commission, and in cat, many things were
originated there. But who specifically at the military-industrial
commission all of a sudden took the lead, I do not remember…Most
likely it (the initiative-P.S.) could had been the military-industrial
commission, or, let’s assume, we had the rocket-space
technology field; the Ministry of General Engineering Industry,
it could have come from there. Or, for example, from the same
Academy of Sciences. That is, where would the initiative come
from? Well, the initiative came about because the media, as
they say, began to play up with things, as such. And since
it began to play up, our government and Party always reacted
to such things. I cannot say, who took the lead with the release
of the resolution. The topic was named, I recall, Setka AN
(A sharp increase in UFO activity in l977/78 had forced the
appropriate departments with the USSR Academy of Sciences to
agree a research program for anomalous phenomena. The code
name for this program was SETKA AN-P.S.), the name of this
subject, the Setka AN program. And since then…”
do not know why it was exactly Setka AN. I cannot say. That
did not interest us; what was interesting was why? Because…As
a matter of principle, all these things, (unclear)… that
take place in the atmosphere, and that assume such various
forms, all this, generally, first of all are connected with,
of course, power engineering, with electromagnetic fields,
with massive radiation that surround us. This radiation…just
the enumeration, as they say, God knows how much there is,
starting with…(unclear)…was given a Noble Prize
for discovering this relic radiation. These scientists had
discovered first, launching a specialized satellite, and see
how the Americans had developed that topic, and received a
Noble Prize for it. And our program was terminated, did not
get to be developed.
NTV journalist Alexey Egorov and Philip Mantle.
don’t have to be Einstein to see that Sham is still a
little guarded all these years later. It is nonetheless interesting
to note that he readily admits that a large percentage of things
did remain unidentified and he did clarify what western researchers
had speculated about for years, the fact that the Soviets used
UFO stories to mask weapons testing. The reason for this is
that they were breaking a number of international treaties
at the time.
here does not allow a more in-depth look at the KGB UFO files
but they are covered extensively in the book I co-authored
with Paul Stonehill. It is: Mysterious Sky-Soviet UFO Phenomenon.
Published by PublishAmerica this 408 page illustrated book
is available via Amazon.
would like to thank NTV in Moscow for allowing us permission
to reproduce this interview and my colleague Paul Stonehill
for its translation.
Mantle is an international UFO researcher, author, lecturer
and broadcaster. He can be contacted at: Philip Mantle, 49
East Leigh Drive, Tingley, Nr Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England,
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